are jack kennedy? stuart: that was interesting. i would say the vice president thought it wrong. why? because it encouraged economic growth. running the company right now is someone who agrees with me. that is why he is here. steve forbes. welcome to the program. i think this is economic history 101. i think joe biden got it flat out wrong last night and you say? >> it was absolutely wrong. brian was not comparing himself to kennedy, he was talking about his tax proposals. the budget deficit went out and the american economy went up. the key thing is, let's forget about the government. they are a mess. what does it do for the american people and the economy? ryan was right on kennedy. he was right on reagan. stuart: you have taken part in republican high-level presidential debates. back in, what was it, 96 and 2000. you were in those debates. how do you judge biden's performance? >> the base of the party would love it did the most independent voters, the more and more they see, they will be put off by